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Sento Ormand
Fredegar Hohenstaufen Corporation
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Posted - 2015.07.13 12:15:46 -
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Good morning everyone,
I just want to discuss the state of new players and what they mean to Eve online.
First: As a relatively new player as far as play time, I don't feel that Eve is inaccessible, rather that the amount of information needed to be successful in eve in mind boggling. Of course new players can be successful when starting out, no matter what role in Eve they pursue, but the ease that they get taken advantage of is crazy.
Second: There are so many complex systems in Eve that will completely screw you if you don't understand them. Everything to the security system, to the market can completely destroy hours of work for a new player. Sure learning for new players is good, but sometimes it is crushing and down right will breaking what happens to players.
Third: Now it is story time. Over the last week there has been a pretty large newbro corp created due to the streamer Arumba starting it. This is something that Eve really needs, hundreds of new players joining and creating content and learning the game. However, high sec wardecs I think need to be changed to allow new players to not get roffle-stomped into the ground. Being extorted by high-sec corps for isk when they are in tier 3s, and we have exclusively tier 1 frigates for the most p[art is a huge killjoy to all involved. Sunday fighting against the wardec was fine. We were fine with losing 600 ships and teaching people how to play the game, but being completely blockade makes doing anything further unreasonable and ineffective.
Closing: I am not asking to remove high-sec war decs. I think it is quite fun, and like I said I am fine with grinding ships into people that are stronger than us and I believe everyone else agrees. I just think it should be changed in some way to allow new players to actually access the trade hubs. We want to create content, and we want to die and learn, but not being able to move resources is destroying anything we want to do.
(Note: There are other systems that could be tweaked, like scamming newbros, highsec ganking for fun, etc. This just seems like a big obvious one to new high sec corps.)
Also any tips are greatly appreciated. Like I said I am fairly new, and I know there are things that we can do to ease the situation, but supplying 350~ new pilots is fairly hard.
TL:DR: noobs whining about systems that make it hard to learn. |
Sento Ormand
Fredegar Hohenstaufen Corporation
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Posted - 2015.07.13 12:23:39 -
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So you want people to continually leave until there is no one left? New people means new content. Do you not understand how games work? |
Sento Ormand
Fredegar Hohenstaufen Corporation
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Posted - 2015.07.13 12:34:37 -
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Thanks Renegade. I have alts and am hauling, but for the new players it is hard.
Angelica you are the one not thinking this through. Especially from a game dev perspective. If you read what I said you will notice I am suggesting changes, and not even giving what they should be since I am still pretty new.
You are also wrong, saying someone "shouldn't be here" is exactly the wrong attitude and I guarantee CCP disagrees with you. Having someone bring hundreds of newbros to the game is exactly what CCP and Eve need. It drums up huge amounts of content and news for the game. You are telling me from day one you kicked everyone's ass you fought against and knew everything about the game? Quit being an armchair warrior and think about the game you play. |
Sento Ormand
Fredegar Hohenstaufen Corporation
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Posted - 2015.07.13 12:36:56 -
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Raspil if you think the career missions and opportunities are enough to teach someone about the game you are insane. Plus no one wants to put in 20-30 hours of reading and research to get started in a game. I am not suggesting being spoon fed, I am suggesting allowing us to learn the game easier. We want to lose ships and learn the game in the funnest way possible. I am not sure if you all are aware, but it is a game, not a job. The point is to have fun. |
Sento Ormand
Fredegar Hohenstaufen Corporation
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Posted - 2015.07.13 12:58:54 -
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Angelica you are definitely wrong. You are talking as a player, not a dev. New players are almost objectively a good thing in the eyes of a dev, and should be as players. You all lose nothing for new players coming into the game. More content and more mistakes to exploit. Sure some players won't make it, but Eve doesn't give players a chance in a lot of ways. |
Sento Ormand
Fredegar Hohenstaufen Corporation
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Posted - 2015.07.13 13:07:35 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Sento Ormand wrote:Angelica you are definitely wrong. You are talking as a player, not a dev. New players are almost objectively a good thing in the eyes of a dev, and should be as players. You all lose nothing for new players coming into the game. More content and more mistakes to exploit. Sure some players won't make it, but Eve doesn't give players a chance in a lot of ways. And yet here we are. That means there are at least some people who like it. Hell many of us started playing when the game was WAY harder (oddly enough, the game GREW then, now with kinder-gentler EVE....not so much), People like you mean well, but you got it backwards. Dumbing down the game (make no mistake, this is what you are advocating) doesn't help new players who wouldn't make it anyways, while at the same time it turns off experienced players who like a complex game.
That is not true at all. You all clearly know nothing about game design. You have to teach people how to play the game, Eve doesn't do that. There should always be a learning period in the game. Core things about Eve are not taught and it is a huge week point. |
Sento Ormand
Fredegar Hohenstaufen Corporation
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Posted - 2015.07.13 13:18:11 -
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I am thinking them through. I am also hear to discuss and you were the one who started the bigotry. I want to make the game better. You are sitting at a privileged position in the game where the results of this make no difference to you and maybe hurt you. Everyone that has commented saying the newbros don't need help only say that because you are in the business of taking advantage of them. This is an exact analogue to U.S. politics in which the people that are in power want to keep the ignorant at a disadvantage to keep life good for themselves.
Saying new players don't deserve a period to explore the game in an at least somewhat safe environment is bred by either stupidity or malice.
I am fine with the complexity, I am fine with the downright dirty nature of the game. I am not fine with the way new players are constantly treated in a game that is as great as this one is. |
Sento Ormand
Fredegar Hohenstaufen Corporation
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Posted - 2015.07.13 13:25:09 -
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Fine, if you all want the game to stay how it is, the game will end. The player base is declining for a reason. You all didn't have it harder. Every year that passes puts another year between the new players and the old. That is a huge disadvantage. If you don't want the game to change, it won't, and the game will die because of it. |
Sento Ormand
Fredegar Hohenstaufen Corporation
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Posted - 2015.07.13 13:28:13 -
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Webvan wrote:Sento Ormand wrote: We want to create content, and we want to die and learn, but not being able to move resources is destroying anything we want to do. So you want to be in a privileged class in the sandbox, free of the nuisance all the other players have had to go through and sometimes still do. So you want consequences for your actions or lack thereof to be stripped away until some later time when you feel you might be willing to adjust to the environment should that day ever come. Not a problem, stay in 1.0 high security space. I'm pretty sure they have some asteroids to mine around the newbie starting stations.
You all claim I am the one not thinking when you "veterans" clearly don't understand. Experience is the biggest strength a player has in this game, and you all did not have it the same. The gap between the veterans and noobs grows and you all clearly do not see that.
I will play the game till it dies, but hopefully CPP understands better than you all. Which they likely do as they are the devs and not power hungry players like you all. |
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